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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
2:40 What if NA had lost again.
24:08 Highest Pressure Worlds ever
36:30 Saint vs. Inspired flip off
44:55 G2
1:04:17 KC vs. MKOI
1:14:18 TL (incorrect stat)
1:29:55 Worlds Formats
1:43:20 Best western players in swiss
1:50:35 TES vs. iG
1:59:25 DK vs. BLG
2:06:04 GenG vs. LYON
2:11:24 T1 vs. KC
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Replacing 369 for the better player is the classic all stars problem.
Team USA basketball has demonstrated on numeral occasions that an all star team is not always better than a good team, where everybody knows their role and things are working out.
I would suspect that we get more BO3s for next years swiss, the first round all BO1s, then round two starts the BO3's
Jatt's fingers are magic. They go through time and space from room to room
i love how someone takes the effort to do the split screen setup even though they are clearly in the same room. 10/10 bit
with inspired everyone is glazing a manchild who screams if he doesnt get things the way he wants it. "i dont take things personal" is really fucking easy to say when youre the one being a fucking asshole. Do you think inspired is all happy days and smiles if someone says bro you inted your ass off… hmmmm. Aaaand last year on FLY, if someone said bro youre not in it come on we can win
Nah Dylan had the bandaids and Perkz wanted the aura
I would bring the LTA format back, but keep the LCS and CBLOL brands (it was really, really dumb to drop it).
Make a 16 team tournament for First Stand (LTA cup)
Make the Champion of each league play for world's seeding and the 2 and 3 for the last spot. The remaining 3 teams go the the Fries cup
Then eliminate play-ins from Worlds, make bo1 day one and then full bo3 which would replace the 5 or 6 days play ins had before
1:09:00 i like how DOM is just lurking in these podcasts. We miss you Dom
Knock knock. Who's th- INTERRUPTING JATT
Mental game is important… which is why t1 is still favorites for worlds…
Team Liquid failed to flush Duduhh out of the World’s Swiss bowl, but Lion wiped them away!
G2 draw was definitely super hard. TES who beat BLG in BO3 and HLE for elim???? The only game that is disappointing was DK but then we are in BO1 being a bit bullshit territory although with that lead it's their fault. Their run was disappointing cause the expectations were super high but honestly it just looks much worse than it acutally is. With LYON/T1/KC draw they get out 9/10 times
Jatt absolutely nailing my thoughts on way too many safety nets through the year for top teams because leagues have got too worried that their “best teams” don’t make it to worlds.
At the very least, we don’t need every format to be best of 5 double elim. Vary up the formats with different competitions
Holy shit Vedius was hallucinating. Dude basically thought G2 was the 4th best team in the tournament coming in…
24:12 to the conversation about whether this is the tournament where mental game played the biggest factor out of any worlds is just because yes the gap has actually been closing and not just eu/na to lck/lpl but also the wildcard teams to the major regions. When everyone is so close in strength then just having an off day or having pressure affect your play can make the difference between losing or winning the series whereas in the past some regions where miles ahead of the other so if you would catch them on a bad day it probably still wouldn't make a difference.
Imo the gap closing is a mix of the volatile nature of the current meta with how comeback works and how teamfight focused it has been and teams naturally catching up to the better ones. Pretty sure riot has been trying throughout the years to simplify the game (decreasing the strength of macro/micro) and fearless removing incredibly strong strats that the east mastered to perfection to the point that weaker teams stands to gain from that
Jatt likes KC more than Vedius. Vedius is a G2 fan, not a EU fan.
Purely a question of viability. Since i’ve heard concerns of first seeds getting a bad draw, would a “right to choose first round swiss opponent” be a good enough fix for that? I mean, it would remove the randomness for being “skilled” enough to win in your region but it would still be a degree fair for the other competition since it’s only for the first round. Theoretically that would let the first seeds “win” their first rounds immediately fixing the problem of meeting lower seeds in the 0-1 bracket. I dunno, just an idea if it could be viable or an idea to be improved upon. The 2nd-4th seeds would still get the normal swiss draw minus the 1st seeds and selected opponents. That’s it, just wanted to throw it out there, hope vedi or jatt see this cuz im curious on their thoughts about this too.
I don't understand there even is a debate about the format. Its objectively a really really bad format. The premise of swiss is that teams of equal strength go against each other. But because Bo1 is so extremely volatile, alot of better teams get upset. Swiss format by definition doesn't work when there are alot of upset wins, because it ruins the brackets. Just look at the teams different teams had to play against.
T1 had : LOS, DK, CFO, MKOI and they didnt even have to win vs DK. Same for Lyon who didnt have to win vs a single KR or CH team to get top 8 in the world. If LOS won vs Lyon, they also didn't have to beat a single KR or CH team to go to quarters.
compare this to for example G2. They had: DK, LOS, TES and HLE.
The problem is the bo1 volatility. You can't have a swiss system with bo1's.
Also, in groups format you had week 2 to make a comeback vs the same teams. You could fix your problems, get better and show you actually deserve to go through. This is also possible in swiss, but in a much lesser degree. If u mess up in a single bo1, you can get BLG or HLE in a bo3 elimination.
1:21:42 in accord with the broadcast, the editor also inted
Jatt, your point about TL is incorrect since they lost to BLG who made quarters. I'm assuming you found this point while assuming BLG was going to lose to HLE?
Its funny that Vedi thinks Inspired hated Bwipo when he actually loved playing with him and has consistently praised him post flyquest. Bwipo might be a PR disaster but he is very self critical and hard working which is something Inspired wants. They both seem to like to play the same way
On swiss and worlds only being about the winner: I think that's lame cope. Sending the second best team to finals is what guarantees a good final match. It matters enormously to the product. If a weaker team sneaks through a lopsided bracket you'll have an awful 3-0 final and everyone will be unsatisfied. Same to a lesser degree about lower rounds.
Single elimination brackets are only as good as their seeding and the current way to do swiss is very poor seeding. Are we willing to sacrifice bracket stage quality for swiss excitement? I guess so.
Love you Jett and i love your passion and care for the lcs. I think the league gets too much shit .
As a past Fnatic fan, I felt personally attacked in the KC segment by Vedi. Thing is, he's not wrong.
Jatt is just coping hahaha
Thanks for the long podcast. Was a treat as always. #JattwasWRONG
1:01:54 Something to remember about BB is that he was part of that 0-6 TSM roster that completely mental boomed. He's definitely had times where he has struggled internationally especially into eastern top laners. He's gotten a lot better against them but he still faulters in high pressure games against them more often than not.
On the slimmest chance its a Lyon vs KC final. We need a mediocre rap battle that week!
Ill always advocate for those music videos though, they were always brilliant.
#jattplease
what a roller coaster of a swiss stage. I would be up for some radical team shifts on everyone but TL need to keep Jose.
I think Gen G have the best chance of winning Worlds if T1 isn't. But that is based on my pickems theories.
hi i'm stupid
Isn't the reason why an adc focused team not winning worlds just a simple equation of if solo lanes explode its 2 lanes winning over botlane exploding just being 1 lane
First episode that had me making popcorn lol
I think BLG vs T1 is destiny and can't be avoided. So tough luck DK and KC.
I'd agree with the changes to draw format if we hadn't considered HLE a top 3 team and they couldn't beat 3 teams.
Jatt saying "packed stadium" when we all have eyes and saw that shit was at least half empty 😂 keep making shit up buddy