Indie Game “Big Walk” recently disclosed they used AI and there was a massive meltdown about it leading to them being review bombed, this video has the actual facts.
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Oh shit House House is the same devs that made the Goose Game
This is a nothing-burger, most websites has more code written by AI than Big Walk. Disclosure of any AI use should be standard practice ideally but I understand why people are less likely to be honest about that.
If you use AI in any capacity for your job, YOU ARE NOT FIT FOR THAT JOB. Stop being slaves to corpos for fucks sake
you have to at least have 20 videos with this same title 😭
The issue is that Ai is becoming to broad of a term.
The problematic Ai is stuff like image/video generative Ai. Or Ai used in warfare. Vibecoded stuff. LLMs.
Using Ai as a tool to assist with coding or other similar tasks is the same as using digital art tools like a Paint Bucket Tool. It doesn’t take away from the work and creativity, just saves time and maintains the enjoyment of the work.
Anytime there’s a statement by someone or a company that says they don’t use ai I avoid that person or company like the plague. The anti ai crowd is insane and I want nothing to do with them.
4:21 He fought well😢
I’ve said it for a long time… shitting on developers for using AI is like trying to cancel doctors who give vaccinations because somebody recently invented biological warfare and they both use biomedical chemistry.
3:13 >username is “stupid times”
The jokes write themselves
Had me in the first half not gonna lie
AI is a tool not a solution, using it to assist in code analysis and bugfixing is fine
How will people feel know allmost 90% of video game companies use ai
As with most things on the internet, there's nuance, but no you're either wholly for or wholly against!
"AI should be used by creative people to help with tedious work, not by tedious people to help with creative work"
Personally, as long as the A.I is not used to; Vibe code the entire project (No human code), Generate art, music or other such elements. Then I dont care. A.I as a programming tool helps speed up development, especially when it comes to troubleshooting bugs. Just dont use A.I to program the entire project, because at that point, you did nothing.
I forgive big walk. I like them.
Extremism is not a solution. People be hearing the word "AI" and immediately pull out their torches and pitchforks.
shout out CatCaptain7
Luddites acting like luddites im so shocked
People defending this are like: Oh, this artist made a beautiful piece of art, but couldn’t get the faces right, so they used AI to do them. It’s alright because 99.9% was done by humans!
Games like Big Walk are supposed to be art, when they use AI, no matter how small, it still goes against the spirit of HUMAN creativity.
You aren’t entitled to perfection.
1. The AI usage was "undisclosed" aka they lied.
2. Getting caught and insisting no generative AI was used is no longer a credible claim.
3. This is not a novel case. Every single time these bozos get caught using AI after lying about it, they first claim no generative AI was used.
If someone points out a 6-digited hand, then the excuse morphs into something like, "Well, those were only meant to be placeholders and we unfortunately and accidentally forgot to swap those specific assets for real art upon release!"
Then more examples are found and the excuse again morphs into, "Well, our assets use AI for concepts and then our artists create their art based on it!"
Yes, these are real life excuses developers make, I'm not making them up, I've seen them all several times worded nearly word-for-word the same.
No, I'm not going to spend hours hunting them down just to prove the point that you're still going to reject anyway if your mind has already been made for you.
Id say a much bigger slop is dolans exclusive use of fall guys as his only background footage.
one time I googled something and then I read the Ai overview
Yeah AI sucks and should never be a replacement for any bit of human touch, but genuinely the anti-AI people go way too insane way too often.
I've always said, AI should be used as a TOOL to ASSIST. not an EXCUSE to be LAZY
bro he beat another hacker how is he so good
I really don't think using AI assistance on the arguably non-creative aspects of a game is bad at all. Let artists who can't write code make better games faster. Of course, I don't like it at all when AI is used to spit out the story, graphics, music, even the design of game mechanics. In this case though, it seems like some people are overreacting a bit
There has to be consequences for twitter being this dumb all the time
Question how much damage this fake post cost the company and if the Developers could go after them. One by one. Taking their private money. Hopefully.
I'm sure the the developers are crying into all the cash they got from players already.
Anyways look at this sick trick I can totally replicate on an industrial scale. 😂
Sure I’ll say that it’s use here is fair cause it’s not much but I still feel it should have been disclosed and I’m not gonna support the game cause even if what they did is fine bigger companies will see it and decide that all ai generated games are normal
Any use of a.i. means someone doesn't get a paying job. Coding is also an art form.
The truth? Most people know nothing about AI, nothing at all, and they talk and talk as if they knew something about programming, therefore 90% of these "anti-AI" people are just idiots who, just like all the other "personal battles", do it just for fashion and without a real reason behind it, congratulations people, happy to have a brain that I know how to use and that works.
They probably used it for 90% of their code, but that's 90% of the IT industry anyway
The Twitter users are just virtue signaling losers
This is almost unavoidable now as a developer.
Wonder whats the fastest method to perform this vector operation in this particular language… just google it, except now the first thing to show up is the AI summary which almost always has the correct answer. If you use it, is your code now "contains ai"? What if you click through the link to the sources which say the exact same thing ad copy those instead… is it now magically not ai?
Full disclosure, parts of the code for this game were copypasted from stackoverflow lmaoooo.
moral of the story, never tell twitter LITERALLY ANYTHING
Game on!
If AI usage is obvious then it doesn't need to be disclosed.
If AI usage isn't obvious then it also isn't slop and doesn't need to be disclosed either.
Disclosure rules are purely a practical tool to allow you to filter out obvious slop.
The more you punish legitimate uses of AI the less disclosure there will be at all.
Is it possible we will end up with two types of Al? one will be a conscious evolved entity worthy of respect and another being on the other end, not conscious and used as a powerful tool?
If you treat tools well, they can be useful. If you treat conscious entities like tools it is like slavery.
Basically, be kind to all.
Game devs can't even use ai as a tool as it was meant to be used in the first place without getting hated on by the "anti-ai" people
This is literally what AI was supposed to be for! Poor developers. I hope this doesn’t run their studio into the ground.
They're treating 10 lines of code made by Ai the same way they treat inappropriate Ai slop.
I dont think the Big Walk is AI slop, just regular slop. Happy to see it get negative reviews from the drooling morons who paid for it.
On the one hand, it seems like such a minor usage…
On the other hand, one of the reasons we're against Gen AI and such is theft of information. LLMs do not 'invent' anything; they can't, that's not how they work. So, is theft ok, if you only do it a little bit? If it's theft of information, is it still theft? Conceptually, coding ideas SHOULD be shared IMO, since doing so makes everyone's programming better… but then again, it's a dick move to force someone else to share something they don't want to, even if doing so is good for the group.
I figure, it's a bad precedent to be OK with someone just being a 'little' unethical… but I also figure it's a bad move to explode at someone who (just ONCE) gave in to temptation, in the exact manner in which you'd explode at the person gleefully wallowing in crime.
It's a complicated and nuanced subject… and unfortunately, there's a lotta people on The Internet who are TERRIBLE at dealing with nuance.
Generative AI is generally considered bad, as it's models are usually based on theft.
However, using AI for coding or fixing bugs, keeps bringing me back to the story of the Car: The moment someone says Car, everyone gets red in the eyes and yells that Horses are better, and how everyone should ride horses, without considering the benefits of the car, and comparing the negatives of a car to negatives of a horse.
wah wah wah simpletons with pitchforks rioting against ai is as big brain as rednecks with pitchforks going after the guy who came up with lighters.
ITS A FUCKING TOOL.
People are so dumb🙃🫠
Yup, same with the countless comments about "water usage".
Like that CAN be an issue for specific data centres in specific locations with higher water scarcity. But in most places the water consumption is well within what is easily handled. We don't go insane every time a golf course is built, most of which consume MORE water.
Like AI actually has numerous real problems, real negative impact, real risks.
But I see so many people who've just learned AI = bad, without any of the required nuance, and THEY are the reason we are doomed. Because if you are one of these people, and I know in this comment section some of y'all are(!), you are the real strawman pro-AI voices can easily abuse. If you don't understand the nuance, good that you came to broadly the right conclusion, now stfu and let people who understand things speak until you've educated yourself.