The ULTIMATE WoW Forever Racial Guide — FINAL Tier Lists for Every Race



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  1. Tauren: if plainsrunning applies to druid catform while stealthed, this could be useful
    Dwarf: rogues vs other rogues or warrior, also rogue solofarming dungeons for chests
    Gnome: warrior having mini-dw (10%) for 8s while 10% less rage cost and 5% more total rage – imagine those cleaves and executes (also rogues ofc)
    Nightelf: especially with dots (bleeds/poisons aswell) being able to crit this racial is kinda too strong

  2. Brother are you mad, dwarves are the premier artisans. Impeccable craftsmanship. Attention to detail.

    Artisans Precision for hit chance is perfect.

  3. What I don’t like:
    Plainsrunning 60% is too fast.
    Eureka should be doable in stealth.
    Orc pet damage should be gone.
    Skyborne needs a whole rework. How do you design a whole system in the world with maps for a single racial and it can’t be used in a raid. Not fun at all. 2% haste is just sloppy making up for an L design. Abilities themselves are just bad as well.

  4. Not bothered by Blizzard rebalancing before the game launches but once it launches I think nerfs or buffs should only happen if something is so broken I consider rerolling otherwise let it ride

  5. Plainsrunning speed was a problem : 3 classes out of 4 for tauren won't use plainsrunning at all. With the last sustain movement required to keet stacks, even auto shot from hunters make you lose 3 stacks en 1s, and you'll need 15s to get those stacks back. You litterally can't autoshot and maintain Plainsrunning. Plainsrunning needs to be faster than 30% in order to be relevant at lvl20 for hunters and shamans and druids. Otherwise, it's the only racial in the game that is useless at lvl20.
    Clearly, you didn't play tauren during the beta, nor hunter after they fixed the autoshot cast time to say that.

  6. Artisans precision fits well imo, because dwarfes were made to shape azeroths underground. their speciality is craft. I think its lore accurate.

  7. The first iteration of the new talents when beta launched was the best. It just keeps going downhill. Of all the takes I've heard, this is the first one actually considering out loud what these changes mean. I'm not even an orc main, but the abuse orcs are suffering right now actually has me rethinking my choice to come back. When I first saw humans are losing a crit, I thought "good". But then they took away the one crit from orcs and I couldn't believe my ears. It's like horde mustn't be allowed to be equal.

  8. Plainsrunning is having a mount for long distances before lvl 40. Running from TB to XR is long AF, olainsrunning will help. Running accross Ashenvale, going to badlands from UC. I agree that apart from hunter, there is basically no gain in combat. It's more about the long travel times.
    I think it's absolutely OP for everyone. No need for 100g for a mount at 40

  9. They really like to fk orc shaman straight up in the as* …. that's insane dude they remove 1% crit, therefore they fuck up our bloodfury / elemental mastery / rage of farseer cooldown up by making it 2 min while all other cds have 3 min cd and on top of that they shit even more on top of our heads by giving us a LITERAL DEAD racial by implementing "command" which is completely dead for 4/6 orc classes. That's just RIDICULOUS! get out fkn devs …. i'm not complaining about balance or character power, i'm complaining about a good feeling of a race and sense of racials. Spoiler: they make no sense AND feel bad to press now since cooldowns are fked up.

  10. IMO people are putting too much care into the combat focused racial, unless someone is in the top 1% of players, ones skill will make more of a difference than 1-2% hit or crit ever will.

  11. I think your take about plainsrunning is a bit cooked but you did reevaluate after. I think it's been really fun to play with 1-30 on the beta before mounts. Idk how useful it will be late game once you get a mount but even getting a few stacks in-between quest turn ins and running back out to continue questing has felt quite good while leveling. When I first started watching you it was all about the leveling journey back when you mained hardcore content (pre blizz hardcore). You more of an advocate for the sweat lifestyle these days?

  12. I hope that once the game is out that blizzard allows the balance/meta to play out. If something seems OP, just let it rock for a while and let players experiment and discover power strategies. So many games get ruined due to over-tweaking

  13. Plainstriding will also be weird on druid. You can basically build it up in travel form which less 20 second is actually better than normal mount with enough stacks its actually faster then travel form and you can also build it up in feral cat stealth and basically pop out of stealth in balance as a moonfiring/insect swarm demon that moving at 1.6 movement units.

  14. odd take there on the tauren racial… Its one of the few class flavor racials in game (which would be great to have more off) and you're coming at it from min/max sweat perspective. It's a shame

  15. shatter curse needs to be on level with stoneform, or stone from needs to be exactly like shatter curse. i main dwarf so not just crying here also they just need to give humans and orc 1% crit to keep it somewhat equal in those regards

  16. Anyone else notice they seem the phrasing in every patch note have been terrible. The wrote the WRONG name for touch of the grave in the last patch and its CRIT on Abilities not a full 1% crit, white damage is about 1/3 to 1/2 your dps and warrior generate extra rage on white crit but not yellow crit. These things are pretty important in interpreting how they work.

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